Mike Haycock stated that items are crossed out in blue because he moved those general requirements into the actual general requirements section. Chairman Dave Robinson stated that on #9 it has "no accessory dwelling shall be rented, which is crossed out, leased or sold separately from the lease or sale of the primary building. Mike Haycock stated that was the original language and he took it out because we do allow renting accessory dwelling units now. You can’t lease or sell separately from the sale of the primary building. Dale Coulam stated "lease" or "rent" for that purpose are pretty much interchangeable. Chairman Dave Robinson stated that the word "lease" gives it more of a long-term thought. Mike Haycock stated we can cross out "lease" too. Commissioner Pam Gardiol stated that #11 has domestic livestock and fowl. What would that look like? Mike Haycock stated there are rules specifically on how to keep livestock. This refers you back to that chapter on how to build that structure and those requirements. He added #13 here the option that they match the primary dwelling or comply with Chapter 19, which are our design requirements. If there is a manufactured house, you can’t match that type of siding, which is listed in Chapter 19. Chairman Dave Robinson inquired what about lap siding? Mike Haycock stated yes, if it is in Chapter 19. You can come up with better wording but he just didn't want conflict between the two. Reflective metal siding is a good example. Commissioner Derek Larsen stated put Chapter 19 first in there to emphasize that. Commissioner Pam Gardiol stated that 12(1) says that a residential agricultural zone be a maximum of 2500 total square footage and shall be constructed of materials and colors that blend with the natural environment. Is that also related to Chapter 19? Mike Haycock stated no that is specific for agricultural use. You can decide if you want to keep that or have it reflect the same as the other sections. In the agricultural zone, detached structures can be built first. It may not have an original structure to match. You could send them back to Chapter 19 as well. Commissioner Doug Clifford stated these can be galvanized siding on barns. That statement is historic. Traditionally that is how it was done. Commissioner Pam Gardiol stated if this is what we aspire to, then it makes sense to change that to match the others. Commissioner Derek Larsen stated he worries about making a farm building match and making it so much more expensive because we are requiring matching materials. Mike Haycock stated we could also say no requirements for agricultural buildings. The intent was not to have reflective metals. Chairman Dave Robinson stated let's use Chapter 19 in this section, and then review it and make some adjustments. Is that what you are saying? Mike Haycock stated in the future. Right now we are looking at accessory dwelling units to make the State happy. Commissioner Doug Clifford stated that this is so accessory dwelling units can be larger buildings, but they will have to meet Chapter 19 requirements. Change #13 to say all but agriculture accessory structures. We are saying that can be different than having to architecturally match a primary structure but it cannot be reflective. Chairman Dave Robinson stated he thought we were directing it to Chapter 19. Then we review Chapter 19 to refine it. Commissioner Doug Clifford stated that is fine, but we need to not have reflective materials in there. Mike Haycock stated he will work on that. Next is accessory buildings considered attached. Those are within 10 feet of another structure. He limited the height to 20 feet and hip roof is 22 feet, which will go to the top of the wall and angle away from property. Chairman Dave Robinson stated that is reduced down from what is typically 25 feet. Mike Haycock stated on properties 13k to 21k square feet we have reduced the side and rear yard to five feet. Accessory structures considered attached and its required parking are required to be behind the front of the wall of the primary structure. Parking should be in front of the accessory dwelling unit, not in front of the primary house. Parking should be in the garage. Commissioner Derek Larsen stated "behind the wall" is the key phrase there. He is okay with that. Mike Haycock stated parking below the accessory dwelling unit could also be an option. Chairman Dave Robinson stated that means we are moving the accessory dwelling unit 20 ft from the front of the house. They could also do a bottom floor garage to make that. Mike Haycock stated that if they attached it, it would be the same structure. It also gives more options for allowing an accessory dwelling unit, which is what we are trying to accomplish here. Next is accessory structures considered attached may be combined with multiple types of accessory structures uses. Chairman Dave Robinson inquired what other types of accessory structures could be proposed? Mike Haycock stated hobby rooms, detached awnings, etc. Commissioner Pam Gardiol stated she is concerned about the size of the footprints expanding and growing like barnacles. Mike Haycock stated he has question marks later on to see how big the biggest structures are that the Commission would like to see in what areas. Right now accessory dwelling units are 600 sq ft. Chairman Dave Robinson stated the purpose of accessory dwelling units is to make homes affordable housing and to get some rental spots to allow people help to live here. People using this for man caves or she-sheds and use accessory dwellings as an excuse to get closer to property lines he has a problem with. He doesn't want people using what we are trying to help with, to take advantage or circumvent the setback law. Mike Haycock stated so instead of multiple combinations, just a garage and accessory dwelling unit as a combined allowed use. Not ten other structures connected to that. What about awnings? Chairman Dave Robinson stated he has no issue with an awning. Commissioner Doug Clifford stated we need to make it more feasible for people with smaller lots to have an accessory dwelling unit. He doesn’t see a lot of other people scheming. Chairman Dave Robinson stated he is all for people using their property, just not to encroach upon the setback rules we have, under the guise of building an accessory dwelling unit. Mike Haycock stated he can rewrite this section and say for accessory dwelling units only. A detached garage below an accessory dwelling unit can meet that. Maybe a small awning. Ten foot setbacks for anything else. Commissioner Pam Gardiol inquired about the impact of intensity of activity to neighboring homeowners? Mike Haycock stated on the smaller lots, we are already looking pretty dense. As we get to bigger lots, they open up a bit. The only limit on them is the primary dwelling setback. Accessory buildings considered attached takes away some of that effect. Next is accessory buildings considered detached. Those are ten feet away, bigger lots with more room. We want them to look more open. Commissioner Pam Gardiol stated that even in the smaller neighborhoods it is more important to have that buffer space. Mike Haycock stated then we need to go back to the previous chapter. We could discuss a percentage of coverage area. When we talk about affordable housing, they go property line to property line to make them affordable. An example we have been given was seven feet apart with the setback which is fire code and a firewall. That is about as close as you can get. Commissioner Pam Gardiol stated that was Mr. Ence and Mr. Nilson at the Utah Land Institute conference, which were night and day designs. Mr. Ence does not represent what we would want in this community. A row of tight boxes with garages. Mr. Nilson's was a far better design. Chairman Dave Robinson stated on the smaller lots accessory dwelling units won't fit. On the medium ones we give a little there to make this work and on the larger lots they get a bit more spread out. Mike Haycock stated that lots greater than 21k to 31k behind the primary structure, we are suggesting 35% coverage; 31k to 42k sq ft lots at 30% coverage; and 42k lots or larger at 25% coverage. That came from driving around and looking at what is already established. We could move it to front of the lot and look at those percentages. Commissioner Doug Clifford stated has problems with this when we say behind the wall of the primary structure. It could have a patio and the home is a "U" and their entertainment is in the center. There may be a wing of the house that goes up a ways. Calculating it this way is not the right way to go. What if we did a base calculation percentage of total lot coverage? Mike Haycock stated we can do that. He likes that better. How it is done now is we take the footprint of the house. If you have a small house, so will your accessory structure. You don’t want it to get bigger than the primary structure. Chairman Dave Robinson stated percentage is the way to go with this. Mike Haycock stated then we need to open up Chapter 11 because now we are not just altering detached structures, we are going over lot coverage for a whole parcel. We have people adding square footage to their primary so they can have a bigger secondary structure. That is not what we are trying to do. Chairman Dave Robinson stated take the whole lot size and calculate that and see if it is similar to what numbers we are getting now. Mike Haycock stated right now, we also have a one-story and a two-story home with the same square footage and you don't get credit for the second story because it is based off the footprint. Maybe you could say it must be 10% smaller than the primary structure. Chairman Dave Robinson inquired if detached garages right now is 50%? Mike Haycock stated it also refers to frontages. If you have a wide front it is 60% and an acre is 70% and gets bigger depending on lot size. We downsize a lot of requests on secondary structures because of the primary footprint. Then people get creative to get what they want, like going taller, or adding onto the house. Mike Haycock inquired are we limiting garage sizes on a detached structure? All lot sizes? Right now we control it by setbacks and percentage of coverage. Commissioner Pam Gardiol stated accessory dwelling units are not to put two full-size primary structures on a lot designed for one. It is to put a small accessory dwelling unit. There needs to be some proportion to align with accessory dwelling units and the garage. Chairman Dave Robinson stated they are already allowed. Commissioner Pam Gardiol inquired do we want a dwelling compound on the same lot? Mike Haycock stated Santa Clara is going in the direction of 1k sq ft as the maximum size. Going over 600 sq ft is about the size of a two-car garage. You should have two parking spots for that. Chairman Dave Robinson stated so we use the percentage but create a maximum. Mike Haycock stated that is how the ordinance is written now and we should discuss that. Commissioner Pam Gardiol inquired what is intent for usage of the property? Chairman Dave Robinson stated large lots have multiple intents. That is why they buy them. They want to put their detached garage, the motorhome and camper, their toys, their horses, stables, etc. It is two different ideas we are discussing. Large lots of this size are different. Commissioner Doug Clifford stated when we talk accessory dwelling unit, that is not a detached garage. Mike Haycock stated that is part of the discussion. How much area do you want structures to cover and how big of an accessory dwelling unit do we want them to build? Commissioner Doug Clifford stated he wants to make sure we don’t throw a wrench in allowing a large garage and making your house secondary if that is what they choose. Chairman Dave Robinson stated that is fine on those bigger lots. That is why people buy them. Commissioner Pam Gardiol stated even with accessory dwelling unit the percentage of coverage of that lot should limit how they parcel it out, whether it is an accessory dwelling unit or chickens. Make it a percentage. Chairman Dave Robinson stated it says accessory structure on sections 2, 3, and 4 not dwelling. Do we leave it at that and let them divide it how they want or do we say how much can be dwelling, how much can be a garage? He doesn’t want to do that. On big lots, tell them how much space they have to build on and they decide what they want to build. Mike Haycock stated he added to the original table two more setbacks options for detached structures of 12’ and 15’ do we want to maintain that you can’t pass the primary structure height, or allow them to be taller than the primary structure? Chairman Dave Robinson stated he likes the continuation of the graduation. Mike Haycock stated they are taller from established grade. Chairman Dave Robinson inquired if the house is a single-story, do we allow a two-story accessory dwelling unit? Mike Haycock stated or limiting the maximum height to 20 ft. Commissioner Pam Gardiol stated she prefers the latter. Commissioner Doug Clifford stated there is a whole subdivision with RV garages that look like they are taller than the houses. Mike Haycock stated that those were made to be considered attached. Commissioner Derek Larsen stated he likes the table as written. Chairman Dave Robinson stated he thinks so too. Mike Haycock stated that the Ivins map in this ordinance has special requirements for the old township. Are we taking that out? Dale Coulam stated if you remove that, they would be left as legal non-conforming, they can only maintain what they have, no new construction. You would have to call out those boundaries if you take the map out, that would be legal non-conforming. Mike Haycock stated this would be for carports. He will make sure it doesn’t take rights away. Smaller accessory building requirements he left the same. That is out of the building code. Our new accessory dwelling unit ordinance already addresses that. He took out that replication. Accessory dwelling units may be authorized in a high-density zone because there may still be a one-acre lot in a high-density zone. The parameters are set by setbacks and percent of coverage. He recommends including something on R-2 lots. That should only allow 1-2 accessory dwelling units. Chairman Dave Robinson stated if it is a duplex they are likely renting, do we allow them to make two more? Mike Haycock stated property line is what we need to talk about. There is no property line, so maybe only allow only one accessory dwelling unit between the two. Chairman Dave Robinson stated he would say zero detached accessory dwelling units for R-2. Mike Haycock stated he crossed out sized of accessory dwelling units so we can have the discussion. 600 sq ft is what it is now. That is enough for a bedroom and living area. Santa Clara is looking at going with 1k sq ft but then he thinks you need two parking spots. Commissioner Pam Gardiol stated she is concerned about the intensity on the lot, whatever the size. She wants to limit it to 600 sq ft. Commissioner Derek Larsen stated on smaller lots that is fine but on the larger lots putting anything over 600 sq ft we would require a second parking spot. It depends on your lot size. If you have a detached garage and parking under it is easy to go over 1k sq ft on lots over an acre. We don't need to put a limit on it. Commissioner Pam Gardiol stated she wants to be sure we avoid footprint creep. Mike Haycock stated there is no reason to have an accessory dwelling unit over 1k sq ft. He thinks the max should be somewhere between 600 sq ft and 1k sq ft. Commissioner Derek Larsen stated to make sure we note that you can never have too big a garage. Occupancy for accessory dwelling units is one family. The State has a definition of family. Chairman Dave Robinson stated use percent of coverage on the rewrite. Whatever they want to build is fine. They are all covered under detached structures and just need to meet the percentage and setbacks. Mike Haycock stated he will rewrite it and bring it back. Commissioner Doug Clifford stated go out and drive around to get examples and a feel for variation. It makes it easier to visualize. Chairman Dave Robinson stated Padre Canyon has varying types to go see. Commissioner Pam Gardiol stated that this Mike Haycock's write-up was nicely done.